kickASScomputer (1:36:20 PM): hello
P-------32 (1:36:24 PM): yo
P-------32 signed off at 1:37:17 PM.
P-------32 signed on at 1:58:58 PM.
kickASScomputer (1:59:05 PM): wat
P-------32 (1:59:13 PM): wat
kickASScomputer (1:59:21 PM): i have written almost 2,000 on why mozilla sucks
P-------32 (1:59:45 PM): i have written almost 2001 on why mozilla is better
kickASScomputer (2:00:04 PM): no you havents
P-------32 (2:00:25 PM): oh ok
P-------32 (2:00:28 PM): neither have u!!
kickASScomputer (2:00:31 PM): do you want to read mine?
P-------32 (2:00:36 PM): ok
kickASScomputer (2:00:40 PM): let me transfer it to you
P-------32 (2:00:43 PM): fine
kickASScomputer wants to send file C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\New Website\stuf\mozilla\mozilla.doc (2:00:59 PM).
kickASScomputer cancels request; the file will not be sent (2:01:04 PM).
P-------32 (2:01:07 PM): hmm
kickASScomputer (2:01:07 PM): whoops wait
kickASScomputer wants to send file C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\New Website\stuf\mozilla\mozilla.doc (2:01:29 PM).
kickASScomputer (2:01:51 PM): accept it
P-------32 received C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\New Website\stuf\mozilla\mozilla.doc (2:02:01 PM).
kickASScomputer (2:02:10 PM): there are still garmmatical prblems in the last sectiom
P-------32 (2:02:18 PM): i bet
kickASScomputer (2:02:30 PM): read it and argue.. if you can
P-------32 (2:03:54 PM): ok...want me to write an argument?
kickASScomputer (2:04:04 PM): sure
P-------32 (2:04:11 PM): u better post it then
kickASScomputer (2:04:16 PM): i will
kickASScomputer (2:04:24 PM): or you can just try to argue right now
P-------32 (2:05:09 PM): man this will take a while
P-------32 (2:05:12 PM): ok i'm just reading th eintro
kickASScomputer (2:05:24 PM): okay... it takes 5 to 10 to read
kickASScomputer (2:05:27 PM): take your time
P-------32 (2:05:39 PM): i think i will
kickASScomputer (2:06:57 PM): also notice that links to potential evidence, (pictures and examples) are obviosuly not up... but it should be easy to undertand anyway
P-------32 (2:07:06 PM): right
P-------32 (2:09:39 PM): andras
P-------32 (2:09:42 PM): i think ur looking too much into the logo
kickASScomputer (2:09:54 PM): well ship that part
kickASScomputer (2:09:57 PM): skip
kickASScomputer (2:10:01 PM): read the rest
P-------32 (2:10:02 PM): ok fine
P-------32 (2:11:55 PM): well andras the open source thing
P-------32 (2:12:04 PM): they do that so that every american doesn't have their own browser
P-------32 (2:12:07 PM): and make money off them
kickASScomputer (2:12:28 PM): just as i said... "mozilla clones"... read on
P-------32 (2:12:36 PM): oh ok
P-------32 (2:13:17 PM): omg if u consider that theft and stealing
P-------32 (2:13:22 PM): what do u consider downloading MP3s
P-------32 (2:13:30 PM): and plus even if it wasn't funded by netscape
P-------32 (2:13:35 PM): and it WAS made freeware
P-------32 (2:13:44 PM): netscape and microsoft would still copy the features
kickASScomputer (2:14:02 PM): IT IS funded by netscaoe though they reuse the code and make it a commecial product
P-------32 (2:14:18 PM): they do that anyway with freeware
P-------32 (2:14:27 PM): and if u were to stop that from happening
P-------32 (2:14:33 PM): u'd have to stop downloading from happening altogether
kickASScomputer (2:14:52 PM): no, freeware is protected under copyright laws just like commercial products
P-------32 (2:15:14 PM): not true
P-------32 (2:15:17 PM): u can use freware
P-------32 (2:15:18 PM): and copy it
P-------32 (2:15:22 PM): as long as u give the person credit
P-------32 (2:15:31 PM): u can write a freeware program
kickASScomputer (2:15:31 PM): yes..but you cannot sell it
P-------32 (2:15:39 PM): and i can copy it, as long as i say "andras made it"
kickASScomputer (2:15:39 PM): resell it as your own
P-------32 (2:15:56 PM): ok andras
P-------32 (2:16:10 PM): then technically it's against the law for netscape to steal from mozilla
P-------32 (2:16:10 PM): right
kickASScomputer (2:16:13 PM): and this tricks people because they think they are truly making a free browser while they are not because netscape simple funnerls in the code
P-------32 (2:16:34 PM): it's against the law for netscape to steal from mozilla right?
kickASScomputer (2:16:59 PM): no... technially no... since netscape owns it
P-------32 (2:17:47 PM): well are u sure netscape will steal from mozilla
kickASScomputer (2:18:10 PM): it is! netscape 7 is solely based on mozilla and all the extra commerical crap they put into it
kickASScomputer (2:18:15 PM): like ads
P-------32 (2:18:22 PM): how do u know this
kickASScomputer (2:18:28 PM): netscape 6 was based purely on mozilla
kickASScomputer (2:18:44 PM): read any news on the internet let me find you one
P-------32 (2:19:22 PM): go for it
kickASScomputer (2:19:23 PM): http://www.cnet.com/software/0-3227883-8-9916554-1. html read the paragraph
kickASScomputer (2:19:42 PM): quote: "This browser keeps the best of the recent Mozilla builds"
P-------32 (2:20:19 PM): andras
P-------32 (2:20:24 PM): ur making it sound like they're stealing from programmers
kickASScomputer (2:20:30 PM): well they are
P-------32 (2:20:32 PM): like they're locked up and they say WORK FOR NO MONEY
P-------32 (2:20:38 PM): well not really
P-------32 (2:20:42 PM): they're VOLUNTEERING
kickASScomputer (2:20:43 PM): they dont work for any money
P-------32 (2:21:06 PM): but they're not WORKING
P-------32 (2:21:08 PM): they're VOLUNTEERING
kickASScomputer (2:21:20 PM): they wokr under the false assumption that their browser will be non-corporation dominated while netscape takes the code and makes it a commerical product
P-------32 (2:21:32 PM): they're not WORKING
P-------32 (2:21:34 PM): they're VOLUNTEERING
P-------32 (2:21:37 PM): do u understand what that means/
P-------32 (2:21:38 PM): ?
kickASScomputer (2:21:46 PM): yes... but they are tricked
P-------32 (2:21:54 PM): how are they tricked
P-------32 (2:21:56 PM): they're VOLUNTEERING
P-------32 (2:21:59 PM): so even if it was non profit
P-------32 (2:22:00 PM): they wouldn't get paid
P-------32 (2:22:08 PM): so if it is profit, they don't get paid
P-------32 (2:22:10 PM): cuz they're VOLUNTEEEEEERING
kickASScomputer (2:22:27 PM): yeah but its disgusting to see netscape trying to make money while it doesn pay the people who are making their product
P-------32 (2:22:43 PM): are they gonna sell netscape?
kickASScomputer (2:23:18 PM): no, BUT they add their ads and shit to the browser
P-------32 (2:23:33 PM): there aren't any ads on mozilla?
kickASScomputer (2:23:35 PM): meaking it a commercial product they make money off from
kickASScomputer (2:23:37 PM): nope
P-------32 (2:23:46 PM): are there any ads on IE
kickASScomputer (2:24:05 PM): nope
P-------32 (2:24:15 PM): but there are ads on netscape?
P-------32 (2:24:16 PM): are u sure
P-------32 (2:24:20 PM): cuz i use netscape on my sister's laptop
P-------32 (2:24:22 PM): and there are no ads there
kickASScomputer (2:24:28 PM): brb
kickASScomputer (2:25:21 PM): the ads in come in forms of the "shop" button which takes the person conviently to netscape store.... net2phone service
P-------32 (2:25:22 PM): ok
P-------32 (2:25:31 PM): hah
P-------32 (2:25:36 PM): so how does IE make money, andras
kickASScomputer (2:25:39 PM): it doesnt
P-------32 (2:25:44 PM): yes it does u loser
kickASScomputer (2:25:48 PM): how?
P-------32 (2:25:53 PM): same way
P-------32 (2:26:02 PM): plus what if i want to shop?
P-------32 (2:26:05 PM): and i don't know how to use the internet?
kickASScomputer (2:26:10 PM): i ahve IE open and do not see a shop button
P-------32 (2:26:13 PM): i can click one convenient button
P-------32 (2:26:16 PM): uc an customize that
P-------32 (2:26:18 PM): JUST LIKE on netscape
kickASScomputer (2:26:22 PM): yes but you should have choices
kickASScomputer (2:26:32 PM): you cannot get rid of the buttons
P-------32 (2:26:38 PM): well I DID
P-------32 (2:26:41 PM): and what's wron gwitha shop button?
kickASScomputer (2:27:16 PM): because its an ad on a browser that was made by people who though t they are doing this for a better browser not more money to a company
kickASScomputer (2:28:19 PM): the my netscape button conviently takes you to a netscpae's home... filled with lots of products to buy or subsrciptions to sign up for... IE does not have a microsoft.com button
P-------32 (2:28:58 PM): but when u get IE
P-------32 (2:29:03 PM): it conveniently take su to the MSN homepage
P-------32 (2:29:07 PM): wher ethey conveniently have things to buy
kickASScomputer (2:29:10 PM): same with all browsers
P-------32 (2:29:21 PM): so then what's the friggin problem
kickASScomputer (2:29:51 PM): because the browser of Microsoft does not force these idiotic buttons on people and thus make money
P-------32 (2:30:10 PM): they don't force u to click on the shop button
P-------32 (2:30:15 PM): it's another option
kickASScomputer (2:30:25 PM): same with all ads, there is no forcing
kickASScomputer (2:31:01 PM): but its coerces some people undoubtedly otherwise netscape wouldt tkae the time to steal all this code from mozilla
P-------32 (2:33:23 PM): i think ur just way off
P-------32 (2:33:43 PM): ok let's take netscape outof the picture
P-------32 (2:33:50 PM): let's say mozilla turns into the best browser out there
kickASScomputer (2:33:53 PM): okay
P-------32 (2:33:55 PM): that way everyone's happy with mozilla
P-------32 (2:33:56 PM): then what?
kickASScomputer (2:34:17 PM): netscape will make it into their browser and make millions download since they have miney to advertise
P-------32 (2:34:31 PM): i said ignore netscape
P-------32 (2:34:35 PM): now let's pretend mozilla is the best
P-------32 (2:34:37 PM): now what?
kickASScomputer (2:34:39 PM): but you cannot since they own it
P-------32 (2:34:50 PM): but then listen
P-------32 (2:34:53 PM): if mozilla is made the best
P-------32 (2:34:57 PM): then netscape is made equal
kickASScomputer (2:34:58 PM): netscape will take this best browser and turn it into their own
P-------32 (2:35:01 PM): everyone will download mozilla
P-------32 (2:35:05 PM): cuz there's no "shop button"
kickASScomputer (2:35:12 PM): no, netscape since they have guhe advertising budget
kickASScomputer (2:35:38 PM): and they add all the "convient" extra feaures: shop, buy, subscribe
kickASScomputer (2:36:01 PM): by the way... how do you change Netcapes's deafult homepage?
P-------32 (2:36:25 PM): i don't know
P-------32 (2:36:27 PM): i don't have netscape on this computer
kickASScomputer (2:37:08 PM): neither do I... so most people will just keep using netscape.com's highly coercive page as their home
kickASScomputer (2:37:16 PM): brilliant
P-------32 (2:37:41 PM): hey loser
P-------32 (2:37:51 PM): mozilla is made by paid netscape engineers
P-------32 (2:37:54 PM): the open source is just to fix bugs
P-------32 (2:37:57 PM): they don't want u writing code
P-------32 (2:38:10 PM): they don't want u like actually MAKING the whole browser
kickASScomputer (2:38:15 PM): where is this written down?
P-------32 (2:38:31 PM): Mozilla isn't bug free, but that's where you come in. Netscape engineers are the primary designers behind Mozilla, but since it's open-source software, anyone can help by reporting bugs, fixing bugs, or even working on new features.
P-------32 (2:38:39 PM): http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/downloadoftheday/st ory/0,24330,3329860,00.html
kickASScomputer (2:38:40 PM): yeah they let the volunteers use the old netscape communicator as a base
P-------32 (2:40:37 PM): hah this is great
P-------32 (2:40:40 PM): there's a website called
P-------32 (2:40:44 PM): www.ex-mozilla.org
P-------32 (2:40:48 PM): it's fired netscape employees
P-------32 (2:40:52 PM): who don't want u to use netscape
P-------32 (2:40:59 PM): but hey they all want u to use mozilla
kickASScomputer (2:41:15 PM): and netscape owns mozilla!
kickASScomputer (2:41:22 PM): thats stupid
P-------32 (2:41:34 PM): have u ever heard or read anyone who has ur point of view on this subject
kickASScomputer (2:42:04 PM): yes many on Usenet
P-------32 (2:42:53 PM): well all of u are idiots
P-------32 (2:42:59 PM): and are getting in the way of something great
kickASScomputer (2:43:33 PM): right... there is nothing better than having a browser ripped of from volunteers
P-------32 (2:43:45 PM): jesus christ, man
P-------32 (2:43:53 PM): they're volunteers
P-------32 (2:43:57 PM): they're volunteering
kickASScomputer (2:44:02 PM): and being ripped of
P-------32 (2:44:02 PM): they're not supposed to get money
P-------32 (2:44:07 PM): how are they being ripped off
P-------32 (2:44:09 PM): if they're volunteering
kickASScomputer (2:44:23 PM): becasue they should be paid for their worl
kickASScomputer (2:44:24 PM): k
P-------32 (2:44:37 PM): but the majority of it has been done my netscape engineers
P-------32 (2:44:39 PM): the volunteers fix bugs
P-------32 (2:44:49 PM): they don't do enough work to get paid
kickASScomputer (2:44:58 PM): your evidence for this is the one sentece
P-------32 (2:45:21 PM): volunteers did not make the whole thing
P-------32 (2:45:23 PM): they didn't make 90% of it
kickASScomputer (2:45:47 PM): they made a majority since Netscape 6 and now 7 is based heavily on mozilla
kickASScomputer (2:49:36 PM): http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/guide/record.html

Mozilla's own sites exposes it self:

Will AOL use Mozilla?
Mozilla.org can’t speak for future AOL actions; only AOL can. CompuServe, a 100%-owned subsidiary of AOL, is currently shipping the Mozilla technology known as “Gecko” as part of the CompuServe 7.0 client. AOL is currently testing a beta version of the AOL 7.0 client that also uses Gecko...
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P-------32 (2:50:00 PM): do u know what VOLUNTEER means
kickASScomputer (2:50:54 PM): thats the sad part.. they dont get paid for their work yet AOl does make money off theirs
P-------32 (2:51:15 PM): do you know what volunteer means?
P-------32 (2:52:28 PM): where do u go to usenet
kickASScomputer (2:53:09 PM): google.com
kickASScomputer (2:53:12 PM): groups
kickASScomputer (2:53:36 PM): most of the comments are pro-netsapce but you will find a few scathing ones too
P-------32 (2:53:52 PM): there's always a few...
kickASScomputer (2:55:13 PM): can i post this argument completlely and unabridged on my mozilla page?
P-------32 (2:55:23 PM): sure...why not
P-------32 (2:55:28 PM): i don't think anyone will read it from our friends
kickASScomputer (2:57:47 PM): okay
kickASScomputer (2:58:15 PM): i'll blot our your sn and apart from that, no modification....